Get insurance or go to jail

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Get insurance or go to jail

November 28, 2009 by homegrownboy

I’d absolutely love to get chapter and verse of where the house health care bill references going to jail for not having insurance.

If you know Charlie is buying all of us drinks at Kids Shelleens!

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on November 28, 2009 at 6:20 pm Ed Boyd

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_090925_document2.html
on November 28, 2009 at 7:12 pm noman

You have to get the audio book and play it backwards. Then you can hear it say “Pay your tax or face the death panels, capitalist running dogs!!”
on November 29, 2009 at 6:16 am jj1234

Mr. Boyd – thank you!
Noman – please.
on November 29, 2009 at 10:20 am Steve

Hmmmmm…..maybe I’m confused. We have over 10% unemployment. Those folks certainly will not be able to pay for health insurance…..so is their next step in life jail?
on November 29, 2009 at 4:53 pm homegrownboy

Steve,

It really is mind numbing. Reminescent of the Nazi’s.
on November 29, 2009 at 5:01 pm noman

It’s not in the bill. It exists only in the fever swamps of right wing blogs.
on November 30, 2009 at 6:16 am Dave Burris

They’re talking about this: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign_receives_handwritten_confirmation_.html

It also depends what the final version of the bill says, but in the end, if there is a mandate to buy health insurance, there is a penalty of jail time, either for not buying insurance or for not paying the fine.
on November 30, 2009 at 7:26 am anon

There is no fine or jail time for failing to buy health insurance. The article you linked to is lying.

What they are talking about is the “individual mandate” which is contained in the bill. I am not a fan of the individual mandate, but basically it is a change in tax law that says that when you file your taxes, you have to declare if you have a qualifying health plan or not. If you don’t, you owe an extra tax. And if you can’t afford it there is a subsidy.

It would probably have been far better to impose the extra tax on everyone, then allow a deduction for those with qualifying plans. I don’t like the mechanism, but it is an attempt to make freeloaders pay. Being a free spirit isn’t free.

There is no penalty for “not having insurance.” What they are hyperventilating about is the penalty for not filing or paying your taxes.

The note Ensign got does not describe the House bill. It describes a section of existing tax law that says you have to file your taxes. The same law that got Al Capone and Wesley Snipes. How stupid is Ensign that he required confirmation of that?
on November 30, 2009 at 5:08 pm Dave Burris

There’s no mandate without a penalty. “An extra tax” for not buying insurance is known in layman’s terms as a “fine.” If you choose not to pay the “extra tax” or “fine,” you would eventually go to jail.
on November 30, 2009 at 5:42 pm jj1234

Sorry Noman, DB is pot on.
on November 30, 2009 at 9:49 pm noman

“An extra tax” for not buying insurance is known in layman’s terms as a “fine.”

Oh I get it. It is like the fine the IRS imposes for not having children.
on December 1, 2009 at 12:29 am Michael P. Borgia

The important nuance to remember here is that this legislation in large part is not a stand alone law, but an amendment to several others.

H.R. 3962 will achieve its ends by amending the Social Security Act, the Medicare Act and the Internal Revenue Code among others.

Because the health care mandate carries with it penalties that will be enforcable by the IRS, and because failure to carry insurance will be punishable under Section 7203 of the IRS code, thus comes the possibility of jail time for not carrying health insurance.

But no, its not directly written into H.R. 3962. Hence the reason that Senator Ensign needed the opinion of the JCT.
on December 1, 2009 at 5:40 am noman

thus comes the possibility of jail time for not carrying health insurance.

No, the jail time is for tax evasion, not for “not having insurance.” By the same logic, there is also a fine and jail time for those people who refuse to pay their share of taxes that fund the wars.
on December 1, 2009 at 12:28 pm Steve

This provision is absurd. There are folks that can’t even put damn food on the table, let alone pay a fine/tax, whatever the hell it is.

As I mentioned before…we have over 10% unemployment. These folks will more than likely be thankful to get food on the table, let alone having some legislation that applies another burden on them.

As far as taxes go…..how much do they tax on income below the poverty level, which that level in itself is too low.
on December 1, 2009 at 1:18 pm noman

There are folks that can’t even put damn food on the table, let alone pay a fine/tax, whatever the hell it is.

Then they can sign up for the public option, and not only be in compliance with tax law but get health care too! Can’t beat that…

how much do they tax on income below the poverty level

0.0%. That’s income tax, anyway. The poor still have lots of other taxes to pay.
on December 1, 2009 at 6:29 pm Steve

So noman…I guess you are saying that there is no monthy payment for health care then?

And if you mean that there is is a monthly premium, but a low $ amount, then again….where in the hell are they going to get the money if they are unemployed.

No Sir….I won’t trust them to run these things. They have a bad track record when it comes to the government managing a program. Just look at social Security. That money was supposed to be for “our” retirement. Not for them to dip into….which is why we are the mess we are in today with Social Security.

Are there provisions in this bill that specifically state that congress nor the president can dip into this healthcare fund for any reason what-so-ever? Nor can they divert any funds from the healthcare?

If you think I am a little ticked…yes you are right. I’m ticked off at both the Dems and Repubs. Both of those parties git us here.